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Postby El Protoolio on Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:09 pm

Hi. I work for Chicago Public Radio and am in the process of putting together a documentary on the history of the Chicago punk and underground music scenes of the 70's and 80's. I am tired of New York, LA and London getting all the credit for all the great music when in fact Chicago and the Midwest has contributed some of the greatest music of all time.

This is a project in the earliest pre production stages and I have a list of people and organizations I'd like to interview and include, but since I didn't get into punk until I was a high school freshman in 1987, I missed out on a lot and so don't have a complete idea of what to include. I never saw a show at Oz for example, and would like to know more about it.

So I am asking those of you here, specifically old timers from Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota, to help with suggestions of people, bands, clubs, zines, labels, shows you attended, etc, that you feel were essential to this time. I would like this project to be as comprehensive as possible, and yes I would like to include the Wax Trax industrial bands of that time as well as the suburban scene that I was first exposed to that had bands like Screeching Weasel and the Smoking Popes. From Pezband to Naked Raygun to Ministry to the Jesus Lizard, I'd like to touch on all of it. I know these scenes are perhaps unrelated, some even aggresively so, yet they all contributed to making Chicago an important center of all things rock.

This would be as long as it needed to be, so if and when it is finally broadcast, it may be a multi episode production. I am also interested in any live or rare recordings for use in the documentary. However, I want to talk about more than just the music and get into the hippie feel good aspects of people's feelings, attitudes, artistic goals and life changing events that all pertain to the subject of Chicago's underground music community of the 70's and 80's.

As I said I work for public radio and I come from a DIY background, so this isn't a get rich commercial pursuit, it is my attempt to piece together a history of the music that remains to me exciting and important. I am an engineer at the station and this would be my first production submitted for broadcast consideration so it's ultimate realization is unknown, though I have the support of some people at the station.

Please feel free to email me at graham@grahamhick.com with "Chicago Punk" or some such thing in your subject line, with ideas and suggestions of who and what to cover. Also feel free to discuss it here in this thread. As I said, I wasn't aware until 1987 so I need help in making this accurate and relevant. I have the luxury of taking my time, but I don't want to spend more than a year or so on it if I can help it.

Sorry for the long post and thank you for reading.
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Postby Al Gore on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:14 pm

I invented Chicago Punk and radio documentaries.
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Postby steve on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:17 pm

The Cunts. Don't overlook the Cunts. "C*nts" in almost all printed media. The Imports. Coolest Retard. Wax Trax. WZRD.
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Postby kerble on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:18 pm

Al Gore wrote:I invented Chicago Punk and radio documentaries.


you also invented too little, too late.

now kindly fuck off, Al Gore.
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Postby the Classical on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:21 pm

http://www.tcpunk.com/fourm

there are some chicago ex-pats and minnesotans in the know on this board who might be of some help to you
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Postby El Protoolio on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:27 pm

Wow thanks for all the great leads so far. You guys are quick. Steve, I won't overlook any of your suggestions or your own involvement, I was planning on contacting you at some point. Are you still in touch with any of those people? I'd like to interview as many as possible. Do you think your old band mates from Big Black would be interested in being interviewed? Especially Santiago because of his role in Naked Raygun. I was already going to contact Jeff Pezatti and Touch And Go, anyone from the Effigies I can track down, etc.
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Re: Chicago Punk History Radio Documentary

Postby hellyes!! on Wed Jan 18, 2006 3:50 pm

El Protoolio wrote:Hi. I work for Chicago Public Radio and am in the process of putting together a documentary on the history of the Chicago punk and underground music scenes of the 70's and 80's. I am tired of New York, LA and London getting all the credit for all the great music when in fact Chicago and the Midwest has contributed some of the greatest music of all time.

This is a project in the earliest pre production stages and I have a list of people and organizations I'd like to interview and include, but since I didn't get into punk until I was a high school freshman in 1987, I missed out on a lot and so don't have a complete idea of what to include. I never saw a show at Oz for example, and would like to know more about it.

So I am asking those of you here, specifically old timers from Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota, to help with suggestions of people, bands, clubs, zines, labels, shows you attended, etc, that you feel were essential to this time. I would like this project to be as comprehensive as possible, and yes I would like to include the Wax Trax industrial bands of that time as well as the suburban scene that I was first exposed to that had bands like Screeching Weasel and the Smoking Popes. From Pezband to Naked Raygun to Ministry to the Jesus Lizard, I'd like to touch on all of it. I know these scenes are perhaps unrelated, some even aggresively so, yet they all contributed to making Chicago an important center of all things rock.

This would be as long as it needed to be, so if and when it is finally broadcast, it may be a multi episode production. I am also interested in any live or rare recordings for use in the documentary. However, I want to talk about more than just the music and get into the hippie feel good aspects of people's feelings, attitudes, artistic goals and life changing events that all pertain to the subject of Chicago's underground music community of the 70's and 80's.

As I said I work for public radio and I come from a DIY background, so this isn't a get rich commercial pursuit, it is my attempt to piece together a history of the music that remains to me exciting and important. I am an engineer at the station and this would be my first production submitted for broadcast consideration so it's ultimate realization is unknown, though I have the support of some people at the station.

Please feel free to email me at graham@grahamhick.com with "Chicago Punk" or some such thing in your subject line, with ideas and suggestions of who and what to cover. Also feel free to discuss it here in this thread. As I said, I wasn't aware until 1987 so I need help in making this accurate and relevant. I have the luxury of taking my time, but I don't want to spend more than a year or so on it if I can help it.

Sorry for the long post and thank you for reading.


I love Chicago Public Radio and am a lifelong Chicago resident so I look forward to your piece when it's completed. Good Luck!!

...Oh, and, I would consider looking into the Southside/Suburban heavy metal scene-- Thirsty Whale was one that I went to when my poor friends could scrape up money and car to get out to the burbs to see an 18 and under show. Also, Medusa's dance club on the northside for Industrial/house music. Altho, I realize these aren't necessarily "punk" but it might lead to something useful.
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Postby kerble on Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:50 pm

http://www.dementlieu.com/~obik/arc/index.html

the Other bands section has an interview from Coolest Retard w/Strike Under + DA

Huge archive of effigies interviews.
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Postby El Protoolio on Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:30 pm

Thanks Kerble for all the great links. Chris from the Effigies contacted me minutes after I posted on the TCPUNK boards. I love the internet!
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Postby steve on Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:31 pm

El Protoolio wrote:Thanks Kerble for all the great links. Chris from the Effigies contacted me minutes after I posted on the TCPUNK boards. I love the internet!

If you mean Chris Bjorklund, he was in Strike Under with his brother Steve. A great, aggressive band.
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Postby El Protoolio on Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:38 pm

Yes that's the Chris I meant, Chris Bjorklund. He said after Strike Under broke up in 1981 he also played in Trial By Fire, Bloodsport and The Effigies and then moved to Minneapolis in 1991.

I've read that Strike Under was Chicago's first punk release. Is that true?
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Postby El Protoolio on Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:42 pm

Oh and can anyone tell me what the most important clubs were? It seems to me to be, in no particular order, Gaspars, Oz, O'Banions and La Mer Viper.
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Postby Johnny 13 on Wed Jan 18, 2006 9:35 pm

El Protoolio wrote:Oh and can anyone tell me what the most important clubs were? It seems to me to be, in no particular order, Gaspars, Oz, O'Banions and La Mer Viper.


Tuts, Dreamerz, Space Place (? I know of an Oil Tasters show there, but do not know if it was a regular venue). Czar Bar was open at the tail end of the 80s.
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Postby warmowski on Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:10 pm

El Protoolio wrote:Oh and can anyone tell me what the most important clubs were? It seems to me to be, in no particular order, Gaspars, Oz, O'Banions and La Mer Viper.


For me, the operative word "important" maps to a lot of places. Top of my head-

Club C.O.D. on Devon near Sheridan was a big deal for hardcore shows. Thrash Thursdays. 81-82 saw Effigies, Trial By Fire, Strike Under, Six Feet Under, Anti-Bodies...Dead Kennedys, Social Distortion, Youth Brigade (BYO/Cali)

Gaspar's: Where The Flaming Lips' first and Big Black's last Chicago show filled the place with totally opaque smoke on different nights..

Exit at its original address on Wells. Saw Big Black, Raygun, Effigies, and I played there a bunch of times begining in early '85 (Defoliants.) Everybody from GG Allin to Squirrel Bait to Breaking Circus and beyond

Metro: for the Raygun shows alone plus everyone from Descendents to Circle Jerks to Buttholes to Sonic Youth to Laughing Hyenas to Slint/TJL to everybody except Big Black, because Steve doesn't like the Irish. Just doesn't like 'em.

Cubby Bear. Big fat hairy hardcore deal. Big Black, Toothpaste, Silver Abuse, Out Of Order, Blatant Dissent (proto-Tar from DeKalb) , Savage Beliefs, ONO, End Result, Raygun, Effigies, Defoliants...everybody from DOA to Rifle Sport to the Volcano Suns to Flipper to the Fall

West End (now a dental clinic on Armitage and Racine). The building's current owner, David Fiore, DDS went to many shows and in fact kept a wall in the basement of the former West End preserved from the day. Feel like parsing some runes? Many locals, plus Minutemen, Circle Jerks, Camper Van Beethoven, ...

Centro-American Social Hall on Broadway E. side of street, upstairs, just north of Irving Park Rd. Big Black, Savage Beliefs, R.O.T.A., Raygun, Articles Of Faith, Negative Element...don't recall any touring bands but I'm sure I'm wrong

Tuts: Raygun (including a show where Jeff Pezzatti uttered "This mike smells like Howard Devoto" after taking it out of his back pocket) a zillion Chicago bands...JFA, Psychedelic Furs

Space Place: 950 W Fulton Market DV8, Strike Under, Raygun, ST2W,

Later on, Club Dreamerz was a major place...Slint, Fugazi, Tar, Rapeman, Buttholes, many others.

After then it's a blur leading to the modern era where we somehow see Billy Corgan talking about Fugazi on VH1.

Best of luck on this project!

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Postby JackOrion on Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:40 am

How about the Panther Club? Short lived with NO crap gigs. Served Lasser's pop. Superb.
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Postby hellyes!! on Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:48 pm

warmowski wrote:Later on, Club Dreamerz was a major place...Slint, Fugazi, Tar, Rapeman, Buttholes, many others.
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Ah, yes, Club Dreamerz...now Nick's. I am a little too young to have experienced some of the clubs you mentioned but I did attend my first "northside" punk rock show at Club Dreamerz. I wasn't even legally supposed to be there but I was able to sneak in while carrying a friend's guitar. It was the dead of January, very cold. People were breaking apart an old piano to use a firewood. Strange night but great memory.

Sorry for getting off subject a bit here.
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Postby El Protoolio on Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:02 pm

Wait, Nick's on Milwaukee was Dreamerz? It sure has taken a long fall from grace.

Speaking of that, today I went over to where O'Banion's was and it sure looks different from the pictures I saw here. I've worked in and around that area for years and had passed it many times but never realized it's history. The space seems like it's the same, just updated and gentrified.
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