Ok, joke's over... FUCK Sonic Youth.

[MrFood]

Seriously.

Pitchfork: Is Sonic Youth working on any new material right now?

Thurston Moore: No, no. We kind of need to record a song for this Starbucks record that's coming out.

[MrFood]

Balls. Wrong forum. Could someone put this in GD?

Ta.

[same]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different? How does it make Sister a worse album? If there's any reason to say, "Fuck Sonic Youth." it's their last 10 albums being really fucking boring.

[John C3]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

[alex maiolo]

I'm not sure why they are doing this, per se, but they seem to know what they want, so bully for them. I like some records much more than others (the usual suspects) but I can't say that I've ever had any major integrity problems with them.

Also, Starbucks isn't really a bad company. They give both part time and full time employees a retirement plan, free beans, and best of all, health insurance. Almost no companies give part timers health ins. because it's a choice to do so - no law requires it.

The argument that they hurt local coffee shops was debunked a long time ago by a coalition of independent coffee roasters. They actually *increase* coffee consumption in a town (for better or for worse) and the rising tide lifts all boats.

Whether you think the coffee is good or not is beside the point. I'll always pick the local over the chain when I can, but being able to get an acceptable cup of coffee even in airports and hick towns has made me happy.

It's not like SY is working for Wal Mart. Also, like it or not, selling records at places like Starbucks is partially where music is heading. I don't see them selling bullshit like Fergie there.

-A

[same]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

[John C3]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

[John C3]

If Ian Mackaye did a Starbucks advert would you still think he was cool? He's paid his dues, right?

[CJMcG]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

While this is true, you gotta put food on your family.

[sleepkid]

So will people pogo around and shake their hair while they're standing in line waiting for their lattes or frappacinos while "Death Valley '69" plays over the Starbucks sound system? They'll play it 24/7 like they do the McCartney record.

No. I don't think so.

This is either Thurston Moore taking a big dump on Pitchfork, or Pitchfork taking a big dump on anyone who reads their crap.

Even if it is true, won't affect me as I don't drink coffee. Though I have to say, it would be surreal to use the crapper in a corporate coffee chain while "Shadow of A Doubt" plays in the background. Kim Gordon, I would dedicate that bowel movement to you, with love.

[John C3]

This is either Thurston Moore taking a big dump on Pitchfork, or Pitchfork taking a big dump on anyone who reads their crap.

Yup.

[same]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

What do you do for a living that's so fucking righteous?

Believe me, there are kind people out there, who have a good sense of humor and good taste in art and music, who are intelligent, creative, decent human beings, and they just so happen to work for a design firm that takes up occasional bids from "evil" corporations to pay the bills.

[Your Cap'n Speakin']

They'd be cooler if they did something for Jovan Musk.

[big_dave]

Leaves an awful taste in the mouth, but this is no worse than signing to Geffen & encouraging others to make similiar leaps. Certainly no worse than their phases of patronising art-world hero worship and fashionista posing.

Starbucks is a hard business to rate, great to it's employees maybe, but terrible to the community. I wouldn't punch anyone for working there, but I boycott it. Increasing coffee consumption is definitely a bad thing in my books. I want fucking rootbeer and a torte, not a fucking grown-up's milkshake made of beans picked by poverty-stricken brown people and served with a goddamn muffin. Muffins. Fucking muffins and flapjacks. Whatever happened to fucking crumpets, bread pudding, french toast, tarts, bakewells, drop scones, and crepes? What is it with these syrupy heaps of dough and/or oats flooding the market? Are they made out of melted down AOL trial CDs and copies of Monster? When I put something from the baker's in my gob, I don't want my teeth to fall out and my blood sugar to be raped to shit. Goddamn muffin selling bastards.

More jaded "being independent is over, man... we're grown up" bullshit from the occasional best band in the world. The last two records seem wicked boring, but I bet my toes they'll put out another good'un pretty soon.

[big_dave]

This is either Thurston Moore taking a big dump on Pitchfork, or Pitchfork taking a big dump on anyone who reads their crap.

'Tis only one song.

[CJMcG]

This is amusing

[John C3]

They've paid their dues. Let 'em make some money. They probably have bad backs and mouths to feed. I know plenty of cool people (who I would not say "Fuck this person" about) who do graphic design for a living and work on advertisements for huge corporations. How is this any different?

It isn't. Fuck those people.

Why?

I don't understand by what rationale a person who does advertising work for huge corporations can still be considered 'cool'. This is not a 'cool' thing to do.

What do you do for a living that's so fucking righteous?

Believe me, there are kind people out there, who have a good sense of humor and good taste in art and music, who are intelligent, creative, decent human beings, and they just so happen to work for a design firm that takes up occasional bids from "evil" corporations to pay the bills. I know some of these people. They are cool. Believe me.

I'm sure. I'm sure they're nice people.

Howard Zinn said the term collaborator shouldn't have fallen out of the vocabulary after the second world war. I agree.

Since you ask, when I work I work in libraries, institutions where the commodity is neither sold nor pushed and where only a disregard of the rules of sharing the commodity brings about an economic factor in the consumer's relation to the institution.

[same]

If Ian Mackaye did a Starbucks advert would you still think he was cool? He's paid his dues, right?

I never thought Ian McKay was cool. He seems like kind of a preachy spaz and I don't like the bands he's been in.

[John C3]

If Ian Mackaye did a Starbucks advert would you still think he was cool? He's paid his dues, right?

I never thought Ian McKay was cool. He seems like kind of a preachy spaz and I don't like the bands he's been in.

I'm still curious to hear your profession.

See above.

[same]

Since you ask, when I work I work in libraries, institutions where the commodity is neither sold nor pushed and where only a disregard of the rules of sharing the commodity brings about an economic factor in the consumer's relation to the institution.

Dude, there's a fucking Starbucks in my library.